Comments on: The battle continues over whether Polynesians discovered Antarctica (hint: they didn’t) https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/ Why Evolution is True is a blog written by Jerry Coyne, centered on evolution and biology but also dealing with diverse topics like politics, culture, and cats. Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:55:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: Steve Haack https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2050970 Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:55:32 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2050970 In reply to Leslie MacMillan.

Oral tradition is not dependable when it comes to details and problems of translation (both into other languages and into later forms of the original language) further undermine accuracy. Here’s a possible interpretation: a pretty respectable boat might be made by lashing a framework of whale bones together and covering it with hide. I don’t know if they had hides of sufficient size or not and I doubt it would be seaworthy. Just thinking of the bull boats native Americans made with bison hide stretched over frameworks of willow branches that performed perfectly well on the lakes and rivers of the plains. Chances of really putting something like this to use in the more challenging marine environment is nil, but the legend could have some kernelof truth that, over time and under pressure to keep the story interesting enough to remember and pass along, became the absurdity with which we are now presented. That’s why writing stuff down is such a great thing.

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By: whyevolutionistrue https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2035871 Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:35:05 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2035871 In reply to Steve Fenby.

You have just posted another comment with a different name, email address, but the same IP. You are feigning an identity and are thus banned from this website.

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By: whyevolutionistrue https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2035868 Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:21:48 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2035868 In reply to Steve Fenby.

Is what you said about people getting more than one vote true?

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By: Steve Fenby https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2035863 Thu, 16 Feb 2023 23:05:17 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2035863 JAC NOTE: This is a fake email about NZ (see below), so ignore everything in it. This person is banned because he posted twice, with similar comments about racism, but using the same IP address. He/she even said he was Maori in the second email.

Unfortunately New Zealand is an extremely racist society. It is nearly impossible to get grants to do research unless there is a benefit to one particular race – Maori. If you are Asian (of which there are nearly the same number as Maori) you may as well forget it. It’s as if you don’t even exist here. There aren’t many countries in the world where you get more than one vote in a general election based on race.

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By: Doug https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2026918 Wed, 21 Dec 2022 09:02:57 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2026918 “…Wehi, who as far as I can determine has no Māori ancestry…”

It looks like you are correct. On her personal web page she self-identifies as Pakeha (White). Her husband is Maori.

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By: Doug https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2026917 Wed, 21 Dec 2022 08:47:43 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2026917 Even if there is some truth to the oral tradition of Maori explorers encountering a “sea of ice,” there are far more mundane explanations. Huge icebergs have been known to make it as far as 42 degrees South – that is closer to the equator than to the pole. Southern New Zealand is also subject to winter snowstorms, occasionally severe.

Surely the more mundane, and believable, explanation is that ancient explorers encounted a blizzard or iceberg. And that is assuming we accept the truth of the semi-mythical oral tradition.

“When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses – not zebras.”

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By: Basenji 21 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2026754 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 22:13:43 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2026754 I’m pleased I tipped you off about this story, Jerry. It’s another nail in the coffin of the Royal Society of NZ. A few reflections: 1. I’m not surprised it’s much easier to publish in the excellent Polar Record than it is in the Royal Society Journal. NZ/Oz journals can be very parochial – I had an article rejected which I then published in two forms, one in the Burlington Magazine and one in Country Life. Say no more. 2. Nobody is going to do anything about the RSNZ until there’s a change of govt and even then it would be some way down the list of priorities. 3. Agree with Dr Tau about the Antarctica fallacy but not about the Magnificent Seven who drew the RSNZ’s ire over Maori science [sic].. But one out of two ain’t bad, to paraphrase Meatloaf. 4. Your currency conversion is all wrong, the 660k that the nutty researchers got is more like 420k USD. Season’s Greetings!

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By: Michael Sisley https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2026752 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:42:38 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2026752 In reply to LorenRussell.

The problem there is Moas only existed down here and this guy saw Antartica before the Māori settled here.
Sure Australia, Madagascar, South America and Africa also had big flightless birds of some shape or form though.

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By: Oliver S. https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2026727 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 18:36:35 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2026727 In reply to Jon Gallant.

The best book on postmodernism in social science I know is this one:

* Susen, Simon. The ‘Postmodern Turn’ in the Social Sciences. Basingstoke: Palgrave Macmillan, 2015.

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By: Ruth https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/12/18/the-battle-continues-over-whether-polynesians-discovered-antarctica-hint-they-didnt/#comment-2026670 Mon, 19 Dec 2022 13:00:50 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=449615#comment-2026670 In reply to Oliver S..

I agree with your point at the beginning and have known people who thought exactly like that. But “as much invented as found” is a fitting, if somewhat overblown description of much of traditional narrative historiography and of current events journalism. Which parts of reality to highlight, which to leave out, how to frame the whole, how to evaluate is very subjective. Even debunked falsehoods get repeated over and over again if they fit the currently received worldview, like the supposed massacre of students on Tiananmen Square that in reality never happened (it was a journalist’s honest mistake that became “history”), the 20 000 victims of the nuclear catastrophe at the Fukushima plant, or the supposed large public debt of the defunct German Democratic Republic (hardly any debt at all, far less than Western democracies of its day).

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