Comments on: New Zealand government spends $2.7 million to test already-debunked indigenous theory about the effect of lunar phases on plants https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/ Why Evolution is True is a blog written by Jerry Coyne, centered on evolution and biology but also dealing with diverse topics like politics, culture, and cats. Tue, 01 Aug 2023 03:32:29 +0000 hourly 1 By: Lou Jost https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055875 Tue, 01 Aug 2023 03:32:29 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055875 In reply to Lawfield.

See my Comment 13 above. I do not think we can rule out effects because of physics. Biology is complicated and we should follow the scientific method and settle this to everyone’s satisfaction through experiments, not by a priori claims about theoretical impossibility.

The amount of energy carried by an individual visible-light photon is ridiculously small. How can less than ten photons (and maybe just one photon) move a 150 pound body 50 feet in one minute? Physically impossible, right? Not if those photons reach a human retina and get amplified into a signal that makes the human take a walk.
https://www.science.org/content/article/human-eye-can-detect-single-photon

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By: Andrew https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055824 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:50:17 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055824 Here’s how “Revitalise Te Taio” is going overall. I could make no sense out of it:
https://ourlandandwater.nz/news/reflections-at-the-mid-point-of-revitalise-te-taiao/

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By: Andrew https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055819 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:33:39 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055819 In reply to Chris.

The stuff discussed in the article is paid for by the “Our Land and Water National Science Challenge”, which seems to have been set up in 2016 by the Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment” with funding of up to $96.9 million over 10 years.

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/science-and-technology/science-and-innovation/funding-information-and-opportunities/investment-funds/national-science-challenges/the-11-challenges/our-land-and-water/

The specific stuff discussed in the article is one of three projects carried out under the heading of “Revitalise Te Taio”. More information than you want to know can be found here:

https://ourlandandwater.nz/project/revitalise-te-taiao/
https://agrisea.co.nz/science-certification/rere-ki-uta-rere-ki-tai/

One would hope that not everything done under the auspices of “Our Land and Water” is complete garbage. It’s entirely typical of the NZ media to focus on the parts that most obviously are.

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By: James Braund https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055814 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:15:26 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055814 In reply to Chris.

Hi Chris, it’s taken me about an hour to try and work out the money trail (and please don’t ask me to reproduce it here, because there are at least three levels of bureaucracy involved!), but as best I can tell, the funding originates ultimately from New Zealand’s Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment (MBIE).

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By: Lawfield https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055736 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:40:21 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055736 The paper you linked to was very good. It highlighted that many in the west had also been obsessed with the idea of lunar cycles affecting biology.
This is highly, highly implausible. If only they’d consulted a physicist.
e.g. (from the paper) Gravitational or tidal effect. The tidal effect of the Moon on a 2m tall living being on the Earth’s surface is about 1000 times lower than the effect of a 1kg mass 1m above said being.

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By: whyevolutionistrue https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055716 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 10:47:29 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055716 In reply to Chris.

The funding source is given in the article, and I didn’t investigate further. It doesn’t seem to by the RSNZ, but it is a government source.

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By: Gordon https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055714 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 08:16:28 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055714 In reply to Veroxitatis.

They will probably employ a medium to contact her

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By: Veroxitatis https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055710 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 05:08:39 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055710 In reply to Peter.

? NZ’s Head of State is that well known mystic horticulturalist Charles III. His mother HM Elizabeth II is dead.

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By: John Cassie https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055708 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:57:39 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055708 In reply to Lou Jost.

+1
The small size of the physical influences described does not rule out other possible effects such as you propose. In fact it appears to me that ruling these out entirely might require case by case tests on different crops in different environments. As you say, a well conducted study would be valuable and it’s unfortunate that this one does not seem likely to fill that role.

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By: Chris https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/new-zealand-government-spends-2-7-million-to-test-already-debunked-indigenous-theory-about-the-effect-of-lunar-phases-on-plants/#comment-2055700 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:49:12 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=479887#comment-2055700 Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t see a link to the funding of this maramataka “research”. Can you post a link, Jerry? If it funded by the Royal Society of NZ?

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