Comments on: Arizona State University will allow use of AI generators for law school applications https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/ Why Evolution is True is a blog written by Jerry Coyne, centered on evolution and biology but also dealing with diverse topics like politics, culture, and cats. Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:39:43 +0000 hourly 1 By: JezGrove https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055833 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 20:39:43 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055833 To quote the tagline for comedian Courtney Pauroso’s show at this year’s Edinburgh fringe, “Artificially intelligent. Genuinely stupid”.

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By: Mark R. https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055805 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 18:44:21 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055805 In reply to Alexander M Henderson.

I agree. Thanks for the comment.

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By: Alexander M Henderson https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055778 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 16:44:44 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055778 In reply to Mark R..

Alternatively, services like Grammarly suggest writing the essay yourself, then running it through a GenAI system for editing. This is, fundamentally, one of the services which Grammarly offers. Honestly, I am much more okay with this approach than with having the AI write the first draft.

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By: Alexander M Henderson https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055776 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 16:41:41 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055776 In reply to Leo.

It’s ASU. I wouldn’t hold my breath. Their usual standard for admission seems to be “Is there a pulse?” (Note that I say this as a member of the faculty of a community college in Arizona—a lot of my students end up at ASU and I work with folk from ASU regularly to discuss articulation issues; I don’t have many kind things to say about ASU.)

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By: David Harper https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055713 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 07:36:31 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055713 In reply to Jeff Chamberlain.

Speaking as a mathematics graduate, I’m not sure that the two are equivalent.

I was in school in England in the mid 1970s when calculators were just becoming widespread. I’d been taught how to do long multiplication and division by hand at age 9 or 10, and later, around age 12 or 13, how to use logarithms to make those operations simpler by turning them into additions and subtractions. That was also when I got my first calculator, and by the time I sat my O-levels (in 1979), calculators were permitted in those exams.

I went on to study mathematics at A-level and at university, and whilst calculators were allowed in exams, most of the syllabus was algebra and calculus — all calculations were symbolic, not numerical, so there was little or no scope to use a calculator.

In my A-level physics and chemistry classes, and in my astronomy classes at university, there were some topics that required numerical calculations — stoichiometry experiments in chemistry class spring to mind — but even there, the exam questions tested whether we understood the principles, not whether we could do arithmetic.

Using generative AI to write essays would be more like getting the computer to work out the algebraic manipulations, or figure out how to integrate a mathematical function in calculus, a notoriously difficult problem. And there ARE software packages that can do symbolic mathematics — they have been around since the early 1960s, and some of them could easily be used to answer the algebra and calculus questions on a British A-level mathematics exam.

I’ve used some of these computer algebra systems myself on research projects which involved large-scale algebraic manipulation, because I wanted the CORRECT answer, darn it, and even someone with a mathematics Ph.D. can make mistakes in a long and complicated calculation.

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By: Mark Clark https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055709 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 04:45:33 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055709 Is it time to rethink the “essay” as an admissions tool? Why would any university want to read an AI created essay, all of which will soon be “adversity essays” if they’re not already?
We will soon have students using AI to generate essays and admissions officers using AIs to grade them. When that happens, I guess the machines will truly have won.

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By: Ullrich Fischer https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055705 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:43:40 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055705 I think this is actually a good idea. The essays should be evaluated as before and will need at least a fair amount of tweaking before they can be submitted if they have any hope of standing out. Of course if the University is not terribly selective in the first place, that issue might be moot.

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By: Jeff Chamberlain https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055702 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:17:57 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055702 I’m curious about whether anyone has addressed the differences between this and using a calculator for arithmetic operations rather than doing that by hand.

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By: Mark R. https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055699 Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:38:16 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055699 If I were applying today to a university / law school / job I’d use AI to get a rough draft or outline, and then edit, edit, edit. A lot of gray area when it comes to “AI writing applications.” And how could you stop it, anyway? It’s a classic example of a Pandora’s Box.

And in regards to law school, it might help you get in, but if you rely on AI to get a degree and pass the BAR, good luck! AI can’t memorize or learn for you.

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By: JG Garcia https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/07/30/arizona-state-university-will-allow-use-of-ai-generators-for-law-school-applications/#comment-2055691 Sun, 30 Jul 2023 22:42:24 +0000 https://whyevolutionistrue.com/?p=480200#comment-2055691 It looks to me like another idelogically driven policy. It is unfortunate.

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